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Broken Sword 2 scene tagliate
« il: 01 Mar 2014 11:01:55 »
1 - Cosa cambia con queste scene tagliate?
2 - Funzionano solamente con Scummvm?

Pensavo di avere Broken Sword 1 invece dopo 2/3 giorni di ricerche mi ritrovo con il 2 "Ho solo i cd originali senza custodia e manuale, comprato usato"
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Re:Broken Sword 2 scene tagliate
« Risposta #1 il: 02 Mar 2014 13:12:26 »
Non ho capito il problema  :)
Di broken sword 1 esiste la versione del 1996, e la director's cut del 2010 con esperienza di gioco ampliata (pezzi in più in cui si controlla Nico).
Di broken sword 2 esiste la versione del 1997, e la rimasterizzata sempre del 2010 con qualche miglioria tipo, se non ricordo male (ho entrambe le vesioni del 2010 di bs 1&2, finite 3 anni fa), gli avater dei personaggi che dialogano.

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Re:Broken Sword 2 scene tagliate
« Risposta #2 il: 02 Mar 2014 15:35:59 »
Le scene tagliate e messe a disposizione dal sito http://scummvm.org/, vorrei sapere cosa cambia + se si possono utilizzare senza l'ausilio di scummvm

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Re:Broken Sword 2 scene tagliate
« Risposta #3 il: 02 Mar 2014 16:19:51 »
qui: http://scummvm.org/games, si deve usare scummvm 1.6

Dove hai letto? che ho scritto che c'é un modo per non utilizzare scummvm?

Io ribadisco "esiste un modo per non utilizzare scummvm"

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Re:Broken Sword 2 scene tagliate
« Risposta #4 il: 02 Mar 2014 17:32:38 »
Mi devo rettificare: http://www.adventuresplanet.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12409

Tra un pò faccio l'urlo di munch

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Riposto le domande, forse non hai capito


[quote author=Fato link=topic=6140.msg55899#msg55899 date=1393668115]
1 - Cosa cambia con queste scene tagliate?[/quote]

Prima domanda

Ecco cosa cambia dialoghi aggiuntivi + scene tagliate per la versione 1, per la versione 2 solo scene  tagliate, speravo di poter comandare un altro personaggio


[quote author=Fato link=topic=6140.msg55899#msg55899 date=1393668115]
2 - Funzionano solamente con Scummvm?[/quote]

Seconda domanda, mi rispondo da solo si "Ho usato la 15.0.... ora la 16...."

[quote author=Fato link=topic=6140.msg55899#msg55899 date=1393668115]Pensavo di avere Broken Sword 1 invece dopo 2/3 giorni di ricerche mi ritrovo con il 2 "Ho solo i cd originali senza custodia e manuale, comprato usato"
[/quote]

Lapsus l'età si fa sentire



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Re:Broken Sword 2 scene tagliate
« Risposta #5 il: 03 Mar 2014 18:00:14 »
Ora che mi sembra di capire quello che intendevi, ho ancora dubbi in merito... da una rapida occhiata:

Dal Readme della versione scummvm-0.10.0-win32 (datato 2007):

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3.7) Broken Sword notes:
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Broken Sword 1 and 2 both come with in-game cutscenes compressed using
RAD Game Tools' legacy Smacker(tm) format. As RAD is unwilling to open
the older legacy versions of this format to us, and have requested we not
reverse engineer it, Revolution Software has kindly allowed us to provide
re-encoded Broken Sword cutscenes for download on our website:

  http://www.scummvm.org/downloads.php

These cutscenes are provided in DXA format with FLAC audio. Their quality
is equal to the original games due to the use of lossless compression.
Viewing these cutscenes requires a version of ScummVM compiled with both
FLAC and zLib support.

For systems that are too slow to handle the decoding of FLAC audio,
the audio for these cutscenes is provided separately as OGG Vorbis audio
too. Viewing these cutscenes with OGG Vorbis audio requires a version of
ScummVM compiled with both libVorbis and zLib support.

The cutscenes should be placed in the main game data directory. Note that
currently this requires either copying the game to hard disk or burning
customised versions of the game CDs.

The instructions for the Broken Sword games are for the Sold-Out Software
versions, which are the ones you are probably most likely to find in stores
now.



Dal Readme della versione scummvm-1.6.0-win32 (l'ultima attualmente disponibile):

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3.7) Broken Sword games notes:
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The instructions for the Broken Sword games are for the Sold-Out
Software versions, with each game on two CDs, since these were the
versions most easily available at the time ScummVM gained support for
them. Hopefully they are general enough to be useful to other releases
as well.


3.7.1) Broken Sword games cutscenes:
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The cutscenes for the Broken Sword games have a bit of a history (see
the next section, if you are interested), but in general all you need to
do is to copy the .SMK files from the "SMACKS" or "SMACKSHI" directories
on the CDs to the same directory as the other game data files. (Broken
Sword has a "SMACKSLO" directory with the same cutscenes, but these are
of lower quality.) You can put them in a subdirectory called "video" if
you find that neater.

For the PlayStation versions, you can dump the original videos off the
disc. For each of the files ending in an "STR" extension, you should
dump them as *raw* sectors off the disc (all 2352 bytes per sector). You
may also use the re-encoded cutscenes mentioned below instead, but this
will not work for all videos in Broken Sword II. For more information,
see:

  http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/HOWTO-PlayStation_Videos

Some re-releases of the games, as well as the PlayStation version, do
not have Smacker videos. Revolution Software has kindly allowed us to
provide re-encoded cutscenes for download on our website:

  http://www.scummvm.org/downloads.php

These cutscenes are provided in DXA format with FLAC audio. Their
quality is equal to the original games due to the use of lossless
compression. Viewing these cutscenes requires a version of ScummVM
compiled with both FLAC and zlib support.

For systems that are too slow to handle the decoding of FLAC audio, the
audio for these cutscenes is also provided separately as OGG Vorbis
audio. Viewing these cutscenes with OGG Vorbis audio requires a version
of ScummVM compiled with both libVorbis and zlib support.

For Broken Sword, we also provide a subtitles add-on. Simply unpack it
and follow the instructions in its readme.txt file. The subtitle pack
currently does not work when running PlayStation videos. (Broken Sword
II already has subtitles; no extra work is needed for them.)


3.7.2) Broken Sword games cutscenes, in retrospect:
------ --------------------------------------------
The original releases of the Broken Sword games used RAD Game Tools's
Smacker(tm) format. As RAD was unwilling to open the older legacy
versions of this format to us, and had requested we not reverse engineer
it, an alternative solution had to be found.

In Broken Sword II, it was possible to play back the voice-over without
playing the video itself. This remained a fallback until ScummVM 1.0.0,
but was never the only solution for any stable release.

In ScummVM 0.6.0 we used MPEG, which provided a reasonable trade-off
between size and quality. In ScummVM 0.10.0 this was superseded by DXA
(originally added for AdventureSoft's "The Feeble Files"). This gave us
a way of providing the cutscenes in the exact same quality as the
originals, at the cost of being larger.

Finally, in early 2006, the Smacker format was reverse engineered for
the FFmpeg project. Thanks to their hard work, ScummVM 1.0.0 now
supports the original cutscenes. At the same time, MPEG support was
dropped. From a technical standpoint, this was a good thing since
decoding MPEG movies added a lot of complexity, and they didn't look as
good as the Smacker and DXA versions anyway.


3.7.3) Broken Sword:
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For this game, you will need all of the files from the clusters
directories on both CDs. For the Windows and Macintosh versions, you
will also need the speech.clu files from the speech directories, but
since they are not identical you will need to rename them speech1.clu
and speech2.clu for CD 1 and 2 respectively. The PlayStation version
requires the speech.tab, speech.dat, speech.lis, and speech.inf.

In addition, the Windows and Macintosh versions require a music
subdirectory with all of the files from the music subdirectories on
both CDs. Some of these files appear on both CDs, but in these cases
they are either identical or, in one case, so nearly identical that it
makes little difference. The PlayStation version requires tunes.dat and
tunes.tab.


3.7.4) Broken Sword II:
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For this game, you will need all of the files from the clusters
directories on both CDs. (Actually, a few of them may not be strictly
necessary, but the ones that I'm uncertain about are all fairly small.)
You will need to rename the speech.clu and music.clu files speech1.clu,
speech2.clu, music1.clu and music2.clu so that ScummVM can tell which
ones are from CD 1 and which ones are from CD 2. Any other files that
appear in both cluster directories are identical. Use whichever you
like.

In addition, you will need the cd.inf and, optionally, the startup.inf
files from the sword2 directory on CD 1.


Quindi in pratica avevano fatto quel tipo di lavoro per le versioni base e lo hanno lasciato disponibile, visto anche il peso in megabyte.

Le versioni "migliorate" non sono compatibili con scummvm, o almeno non quelle gog, che ovviamente non hanno bisogno di scummvm per gli ambienti win/mac:

http://www.gog.com/mix/games_that_are_completable_in_scummvm

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Jenni says: I have personally completed Broken Sword in ScummVM. Only the original game is compatible with ScummVM. The Director's Cut is not supported.
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Jenni says: I have personally completed Broken Sword 2 in ScummVM. Only the original game is compatible with ScummVM. The Remastered version is not supported.
Visto il ridicolo prezzo ad oggi ($ 1,79 l'una), per chi è veramante interessato consiglio l'acquisto delle versioni gog.

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Re:Broken Sword 2 scene tagliate
« Risposta #6 il: 05 Mar 2014 10:40:44 »
Ho finito il gioco utilizzando dosbox.
Ora lo sto provando con Scummvm + scene tagliate + dialoghi "i salvataggi creati con dosbox, me li converte ma non funzionano qualche scena in più mi pare che ci sia cmq devo rifinirlo"

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Re:Broken Sword 2 scene tagliate
« Risposta #7 il: 05 Mar 2014 18:29:48 »
Una prova sul campo è sempre la scelta migliore, anche se la più dispendiosa in termini di tempo. :)
Spero che renderai pubbliche eventuali novità.

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Re:Broken Sword 2 scene tagliate
« Risposta #8 il: 07 Mar 2014 19:55:57 »
Brokenswuord  ha tutti i capitoli ha cui ho giocato mi sono durati pochissimo 1 solo giorno   e la mia seconda serie preferita . :) in efetti nella nuova versione ci sono davvero una mareaaaaaa di tagli e cambiamenti  :-\ alcuni stupendi altri  un po meno  ma che ci vuoi fare oggi la censura e fessita  con queste scempiaggini   :'(   be
 
L , amore tutto puo , mai ci fu  cosa piu vera , il vero amore smuove le montagne

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Re:Broken Sword 2 scene tagliate
« Risposta #9 il: 09 Mar 2014 23:22:57 »
Mi sono fermato, "broken sword 1" speravo che ci fosse di più

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Re:Broken Sword 2 scene tagliate
« Risposta #10 il: 10 Mar 2014 00:42:17 »
Sono filmati, scene non interattive

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Re:Broken Sword 2 scene tagliate
« Risposta #11 il: 14 Mar 2014 21:34:38 »
Confermo, devo ricontrollare la versione dos